Marvin Shilmer

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  Blood Transfusion and Eating

  by dugout in

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  i get highly irritated when this subject comes up.

  this idiot gave a talk in my hall recently and said that transfusion of blood and eating blood was the same thing.

  my wife accepts this reasoning.

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  I get highly irritated when this subject comes up. This idiot gave a talk in my hall recently and said that transfusion of blood and eating blood was the same thing. My wife accepts this reasoning. How can I shut this bullsh@@# down please help.

  Feeding patients is essential to good medicinal outcomes. Historically a good surgeon could repair damaged tissue of an injured patient, but if the patient was unable to eat afterward the patient would die despite having their tissue repaired. Hence medical providers sought a means of introducing nutrition to a body without a patient having to eat by the usual method.

  One obvious method to explore was intravenous administration of nutrition. This is called parenteral nutrition. Lots of different liquid concoctions were tried, including blood and products rendered from blood. In the case of blood the only product rendered from blood that was found to offer nutrition when administered intravenously was plasma proteins. Oddly enough, Watchtower doctrine lets JWs accept transfusion of all the plasma proteins they would care to accept! That's a real kick in the pants of the notion that transfusion of blood and eating blood are equivalent! The ONLY blood product that is at all USEFUL as parenteral nutrition is ACCEPTABLE under Watchtower doctrine. (PS: Medical science does not advocate use of plasma proteins in/as parenteral nutrition because there are much safer and less expensive options which also have much greater availability.)

  For more on this subject perhaps the following will be useful:

  
  Transfusing blood is eating blood?

  
  Blood Doctrine Built on “Eating” Myth
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  Latest on Greg Stafford

  by Nitty-Gritty in

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  for all those who know who greg stafford is/was.

  the former "apostate/apologist and author of three dissertations and other books, is on page 2 of the march 2016 meeting work book.

  https://www.jw.org/en/publications/jw-meeting-workbook/march-2016-mwb/meeting-schedule-mar7-13/welcome-memorial-guests/.

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  Not Greg.
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  Got in a bad wreck.....uuugh

  by brandnew in

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  just happy to be alive....can barely move ☺.. a girl who just got her license , and a new suv....thought it might be cool to pass the person in front of her....at a curve......on a two way road!!!!!😠😠😠.

  very mad puppy.

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  Hope you get through the soreness and pain soon brandnew. Thinking of you!
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  Got in a bad wreck.....uuugh

  by brandnew in

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  just happy to be alive....can barely move ☺.. a girl who just got her license , and a new suv....thought it might be cool to pass the person in front of her....at a curve......on a two way road!!!!!😠😠😠.

  very mad puppy.

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  Glad for no broken bones. Hope everything else heals up! Take care of yourself.
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  This thread is for proof that God exists

  by juandefiero in

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  however, i haven't found any evidence to support that belief.. have you?

  if so please, show me the evidence that god exists, and i will believe along with you.. criteria:.

  (1) you must specify which god you are talking about;.

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  The existence of an omnipotent entity responsible for creation of the known universe is a belief. (Note separate underlining and read emphasis accordingly)

  Insofar as I know there is no evidence proving the existence of an omnipotent entity responsible for creation of the known universe that removes other possibilities for our existence.
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  What kind of person was Nathan H. Knorr?

  by Hecce in

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  we have several examples in the forum showing that president knorr was not a loving and caring person; one that impressed me was the one about the elderly bethelite that was put out on the streets until his death due to a disagreement with knorr.

  i bring to your attention an incident that happened in the country of honduras back in the 50s, it has to do with immoral conduct by a branch overseer and his subsequent disfellowshiping.

  i am not critical of the end result of his conduct but rather the salacious and detailed report of this matter putting in the open the details for the whole world to see.

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  I recall an incident back in the 1960s when Knorr visited a local congregation to give the dedication talk for their new building (KH).

  Local brethren were jockeying for position to sit next to him, take him to lunch/dinner and, um, field service. I was in the auto when Knorr went on the anticipated FS trip. It was entertaining. We got to the territory and, after all the fuss to work with him, Knorr declares that we could cover more ground and do it more efficiently if we each worked alone. He promptly opened the car door, stepped out, turned his back on everyone in the car and started strolling down the road. He turned to the left at the corner and went his own way.

  The last thing Knorr wanted was to have his worshippers watch his less-than-convincing presentations to people who didn't give a rat's patootie who or what he was, or was not. By the way, the man sounded like a squirrel with stopped up sinuses in person.
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  John Denver: On being human

  by StoneWall in

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  i have renewed respect and admiration for john denver after watching/listening to this video.some of it reminds me of words by another john, john lennon.i really regret that my jw upbringing made me dislike john denver after some things he had said about jw's in his earlier career.

  i would have loved to have heard this talk back in 1980 when it was first recorded.it hits home on so many levels of what we discuss on this very forum.

  everything from evolution to spirituality,humanity to religion, the ineptitude of modern politics to solve mankind's problems.the things which we allow to divide us as humans but more importantly the things which we all should allow to unite us.it is 2 hours in length but i didn't regret the time spent watching it because it was one of those things that show that he had very similar ideas,philosophies,and feelings that have been expressed on here.after what many of us have been through on our journey and trying to escape a religion that we found we were trapped/bound to in some form or another,something tells me he'd felt right at home being with us.this recording is almost 36 years old so the sound and picture quality might not be what we're accustomed to today but is so worth the watching of it.

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  John Denver's alleged public humiliation and loathing of JWs is an urban myth.
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  Bloodless Medicine....not all its cracked up to be.

  by Lee Elder in

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  2. medical

  this is a pretty good example of the limitations of "bloodless medicine", and why the informed choice should always be "blood conservation" medicine, which retains the safety net of blood transfusion when medically required.

  sadly, the watchtower fails to inform jws regarding these important limitations, and their potentially disastrous consequences.. http://www.dailyreportonline.com/id=1202750028414/jury-awards-100k-to-family-of-jehovahs-witness-who-died-after-refusing-blood-transfusion?mcode=0&curindex=0&curpage=3&slreturn=20160118223352.

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  There is something called bleeding to death. That's what happened here. Very sad. very sad.
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  Disfelowshipping acknowledged by wt as a weapon

  by poopie in

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  insight volume 1 pg 787 para 5,6 very powerful weapon that jesus himself warned against.

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  At one point in Watchtower's history it labelled as "Satan's organization" religions who disfellowshipped (Watchtower used that word!) members for criticizing and/or exposing the religion.

  Here: God's organization or Satan's organization?
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  Was Adam "born" Circumsized ?

  by RubaDub in

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  i guess we have to assume that jesus was circumcised on the 8th day but what about adam?

  he was "perfect", so did he have the weenie cut or not?.

  i would like to bring this question up at a "get-together".. rub a dub .

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  The real question is did Adam have a penis? Watchtower doctrine had Adam created as a sexless human.

  Here: Watchtower -- Did Adam have a penis?